Monday, March 15, 2010

Joy and BB Discuss Saul Alinsky

7 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.K....I've just fired Cal Open and Bastard Nation.

Cal Open kicks out any reformers who don't speak in "soft tones" and cower to their "authority" on the issues...lmao.

Bastard Nation has blog posts up that are 10 years old and lead adoptees in search of reform groups in mad circles on the net.

Now...BB, if you can organize a group of adoptees who will not follow reform "leaders" blindly and will compromise to no one...I'll join!!!

8:46 PM  
Blogger BB Church said...

Unless I'm mistaking you for someone else, I think Cal Open fired you first. Don't blame them, either.

9:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was never "hired" by Cal Open but I joined them in the hopes that they were an actual reform group in California but instead turned out to be nothing but glory seekers and exclusionists.

They "kicked out" me and another actual reformer because we spoke too strongly on issues. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEE.

You don't know me, BB.

8:50 AM  
Blogger BB Church said...

I don' have to know you to remember you. Your letter to Asm. Ma is a text book example of how to insult and alienate legislators while convincing them that adoption reformers are irrational nutjobs that the state should regulate and keep an eye on. By itself, it was pretty bad, but to top it off you identified yourself as a Cal Open member. Exclusionary? Sure, Cal Open excluded an undisciplined loon.

Joy was flitting between CARE and Cal Open like she had the body of a hummingbird and the head of Joe Lieberman. She was acting shifty and noncommittal while insisting that she be trusted. She wasn't bringing much to the table, either. It's not like she could activate her troops and get a couple of hundred adoptees to the capitol. Cal Open didn't want her hanging around and giving off the vibe that whatever you said in the morning could get repeated to Jean Strauss by evening. So they kicked her out.

A kerfuffle, in the greater scheme of things, that did little to change the larger outcome.

9:41 AM  
Blogger joy said...

There was no discussion of Alinsky there!

I don't get it, I have never rejected training, I have never rejected education, history all that yummy, oatmealy-getting-one through the day breakfasty stuff.

My God! how can you say I reject training, when I have read every single thing you suggested I read?


I am interested in making social change for adoptees. I am interested in different models for social change. I am intereseted in being enfranchised.

Make a cartoon where you talk about how that can happen. Make a cartoon about how to be effective, then I would be your biggest fan.

Until then, I will endorse that unhappy smile on an oversized head indicating that I don't like you bbq'ing adoptee babes.

You can do better than I can, sure, but please do.

3:46 AM  
Blogger BB Church said...

I suggest you contact the Pacific Institute of Community Organizers or the Industrial Areas Foundation if you're willing to transform your interest in social change into an actuality.

9:58 AM  
Blogger joy said...

I will look into these places you mention.

10:39 PM  

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